Rear Shock failure issue and TSB & Warranty Repair

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redmed
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murcod wrote:
Do you get products like Sikaflex where you live? Some of their adhesives/ sealants are very strong and I'm sure would hold if the surface was correctly prepared.
No I'm not familiar with Sikaflex. The links you listed show Sikaflex is used with concrete and expansion joints. When looking for it in the USA I found a Sikaflex 291
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/us ... o?pid=3512
which is used in marine applications. So it definitely is waterproof and probably would adhere to plastic. I wonder how rigid it is. When dry is it flexible or rigid like plastic?
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bootymac wrote:I'm having a hard time visualizing how the bellows will trap moisture... From Samir's pictures, it looks like the rust develops behind the bump stops:
I agree. It looks like the corrosion is inside of the bumper stop and the seal of the shock would not reach the rust. Now I wonder if the bumper stop collects dirt/grime and packs it into a dirt/grime cylinder between the shock shaft and the internal hole of the bumper stop. Hence the rust. Eventually the internal hole of the bumper stop is filled with the dirt/grime cylinder and the seal of the shock begins to contact the dirt/grime scoring the seal. Then shock oil leaks thru the failed seal. If so, water is not the problem. The hole in the bumper stop is too large allowing dirt/grime to collect inside the bumper stop. Maybe that is why the new bumper stop has a smaller hole. To keep the dirt/grime from building up inside if it. And the new grooves on the top of the bumper stop allow an escape for whatever dirt/grime does find it's way inside the bumper stop.
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redmed wrote: No I'm not familiar with Sikaflex. The links you listed show Sikaflex is used with concrete and expansion joints. When looking for it in the USA I found a Sikaflex 291
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/us ... o?pid=3512
which is used in marine applications. So it definitely is waterproof and probably would adhere to plastic. I wonder how rigid it is. When dry is it flexible or rigid like plastic?
The second link was to their automotive products- but now I can't get onto any of their sites. :?:

I'd be more concerned about being able to reuse the bump stop (ie. get it off) when the time came to change the shocks than the actual Sikaflex not adhering. You'd obviously need to chemically clean (with thinners or degreaser) the bump stop and shock piston before applying.
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You guys ordering bump stops from Suzukicarparts.com check your part numbers.
Part number referenced in the TSB:
" Install the countermeasure rear bump stopper
assembly (7) and (8), (part# 42250-57L03) to
the rear shock absorber (9). "

Part number referenced from Suzukicarparts.com:
"[ 4 ] REAR SUSPENSION / REAR SUSPENSION / SHOCKS & COMPONENTS / Bumper
Part Number: 4225057L02

bumper W/O AWD Left
MSRP Core ? Online Price
$32.15 $0.00 $29.90"

Part Number: 4225057L02 are you guys buying the old bump stops?
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I don't think anyone is ordering the old bump stops. We're using the revised PN:

http://suzukicarparts.com/parts/index.c ... eid=214820
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redmed wrote:are you guys buying the old bump stops?
I ordered by part number, and have 2 lovely revised stops. No idea what would happen if you ordered the original. There is probably a supersession in the computer, but if they have old stock you may just get the old design.
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bootymac wrote:I don't think anyone is ordering the old bump stops. We're using the revised PN:

http://suzukicarparts.com/parts/index.c ... eid=214820
I did the part search using 4225057L03 twice yesterday and it came up not found.
Today the same search yielded the part.
But if I search by make & model I get the 4225057L02 part.
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It appears that my Kizashi may already have failed shocks with less than 8k miles. I started noticing creaking from the rear as I go over bumps. Sounds like "ee err" like an old bed during physical activities.
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bootymac wrote:It appears that my Kizashi may already have failed shocks with less than 8k miles. I started noticing creaking from the rear as I go over bumps. Sounds like "ee err" like an old bed during physical activities.
Yup, sounds like it.
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So far only the RHS shock is squeeking but I guess our wet and humid climate accelerating the issue.

Did you have to recreate the issue for the dealer?
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