My Dealer-less TPMS Tire Change Story

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I havent tried to help anyone with getting a manual car into relearn mode, so the following may not help.

Are you depressing the clutch?

I think the first press of the drivers side door switch must occur within 2 seconds.

You will know if you're in relearn mode because all the tpms warnings will turn off and the only thing left will be the flashing triangle.

I put in relearn mode the first time I tried (I was surprised) and I have a manual transmission. I think it was in first gear or (less likely) neutral. Clutch not depressed. Ignition on but motor not running. Even more surprising the relearn took the first time I circled the tires letting air out without looking at the dash lights between each tire air release. Total time putting into relearn mode and letting air from each tire 3-4 minutes. I stressed about doing this the night before reading & rereading the instructions not expecting to get enough air from each tire in the time allotted. Did not expect to trigger the sensors by the simple act of letting air out of the tires and decided I would try this three times before I ordered a tool to trigger the sensors. I was in shock when the dash lights indicated that the relearn took. I refilled the tires to 39lbs then drove the first 50 miles fully expecting that ugly orange glow to come back again. That was almost a year ago and at least 10,000 miles ago. I suspect using a tool to trigger the sensors would be more difficult.

[SamirD]

I put in relearn mode the first time I tried (I was surprised) and I have a manual transmission. I think it was in first gear or (less likely) neutral. Clutch not depressed. Ignition on but motor not running. Even more surprising the relearn took the first time I circled the tires letting air out without looking at the dash lights between each tire air release. Total time putting into relearn mode and letting air from each tire 3-4 minutes. I stressed about doing this the night before reading & rereading the instructions not expecting to get enough air from each tire in the time allotted. Did not expect to trigger the sensors by the simple act of letting air out of the tires and decided I would try this three times before I ordered a tool to trigger the sensors. I was in shock when the dash lights indicated that the relearn took. I refilled the tires to 39lbs then drove the first 50 miles fully expecting that ugly orange glow to come back again. That was almost a year ago and at least 10,000 miles ago. I suspect using a tool to trigger the sensors would be more difficult.

I remember the first time I did this with my vt30 to tigger the sensors. It's like you're in shock that it all got fixed that quickly and easily. You keep looking for something to tell you that it didn't work.

It actually does take more time using the tool than just letting the air out to trigger the sensor. And it's cheaper too!

[AlexRuiz]

Hey guys,
Thanks for the help.

No clutch depressed, that would start the car
Didn't try yesterday, but I was checking the service manual today and the learning procedure listed on the manual says:

1) All doors closed, car in OFF
2) Open driver door
3) With ign switch in ON, press door switch for 2 secs within, release, press for 2 secs, release, press for 2+ secs.

Will post the exact text later, and there is even a nice timing chart. Will give it another try today.

[SamirD]

Hey guys,
Thanks for the help.

No clutch depressed, that would start the car
Didn't try yesterday, but I was checking the service manual today and the learning procedure listed on the manual says:

1) All doors closed, car in OFF
2) Open driver door
3) With ign switch in ON, press door switch for 2 secs within, release, press for 2 secs, release, press for 2+ secs.

Will post the exact text later, and there is even a nice timing chart. Will give it another try today.

Yes, that's the method I followed to a T and got it in relearn mode.

I have confidence that you'll get it this time.

[AlexRuiz]

Hey guys, quick update.

I finally was able to nail the learning process. I realized that the presses have to be done fast, meaning the first press on the door switch has to happen almost immediately after turning IGN ON (Run)

So yes I got the learning process done. I am however, still unable to program the sensors. I bought the Chyrsler ones 56053036AA, listed as compatible with the Kizashi. If I have my tires at 38psi, put the car in learning and try to have the sensors trigger low pressure by letting air go out, I still don't get the sensors learned. I have tried letting air out of each tire 10 secs, then 15 secs, now 25 secs, still no programming. I don't now if these sensors need to be moving to trigger the low pressure. I even checked if the TPMS light (yellow tire next tot he speedometer needle) registered a learn, no go. Going form 38psi down to 15psi has not worked.

I'll try to get a hold of the VT30 or VT55, I suspect these sensors need the tool

More to come

[SamirD]

Hey guys, quick update.

I finally was able to nail the learning process. I realized that the presses have to be done fast, meaning the first press on the door switch has to happen almost immediately after turning IGN ON (Run)

So yes I got the learning process done. I am however, still unable to program the sensors. I bought the Chyrsler ones 56053036AA, listed as compatible with the Kizashi. If I have my tires at 38psi, put the car in learning and try to have the sensors trigger low pressure by letting air go out, I still don't get the sensors learned. I have tried letting air out of each tire 10 secs, then 15 secs, now 25 secs, still no programming. I don't now if these sensors need to be moving to trigger the low pressure. I even checked if the TPMS light (yellow tire next tot he speedometer needle) registered a learn, no go. Going form 38psi down to 15psi has not worked.

I'll try to get a hold of the VT30 or VT55, I suspect these sensors need the tool

More to come

Glad you got the relearn down. You're halfway there now.

Who has those Chrysler sensors listed as compatible? As far as I know there is no compatible sensor--just suzuki original, vdo oem, and doorman sensor that just copies the factory sensor. I would say that's your problem right there--the sensor itself.

Our factory sensors are triggered by 3 different means--rotation 5mph+, a drop in air pressure, or a triggering tool. Other sensors may work differently as the relearn procedures for different cars is different.

I've eyed sets of 4 genuine suzuki sensors on ebay for under $100. I'd just grab a set of those and you'll be home free.

If you really want to try out the Chrysler sensors and don't mind a drive, come down to Milwaukee sometime and we'll use my vt30 to figure out what's going on.

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I filled my tires to about 45lbs and just spent 5 seconds on each tire because the whole tire sensor trigger process has to be done in sequence and within 120? 180? seconds. I was worried that I would not be able to trigger the sensors within the allowed time. I figured the higher tire pressure would let the 5lbs out faster.

[SamirD]

So I figured out why I was getting the 'service tpms' message when driving on long drives--The tpms sensors were reporting above 50psi, which I think is what is causing the service tpms message. Once the pressures go back to their normal (44psi for the winter set), the light automatically goes off.

[chazyouwin]

Just thought I would post that the two Schrader 28308 TPMS that I bought a few months ago were easily programmed by the local non-Suzuki tire shop who mounted the tires. From Amazon: "2 "Schrader 28308 TPMS Sensor" have shipped." No need for the Suzuki originals.

[chazyouwin]

Something Samir posted many messages ago has me intrigued. If when in learn mode the sensors are supposed to give out signal when moving at greater than 5 mph, why is letting out air from the tires even necessary? Logically, just put in learn mode and then within the requisite time period start driving the car. All four sensors should be programmed, no?